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		<title>Comment on Why is NIMBY such a popular term nowadays? by Robert Muirhead</title>
		<link>http://www.planningdemocracy.org.uk/2012/why-is-nimby-such-a-popular-term-nowadays/comment-page-1/#comment-1091</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Muirhead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2012 17:16:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Working in development control I had to waste much time dealing with objections which were irrelevant eg.  this might lower my house value , block my views and/or attract the wrong class of people into the area .  Those which could be,  eg. it would cause traffic hazard, were rarely supported by any evidence or analysis.   These objectors were only wasting their own time and appearing ignorant and/or snobbish.
Some are &quot;serial objectors &quot; who are just wanting to be  noticed.

Most objectors  have never actually bothered to study the plan and national/council policies.  If a thing is worth doing it should be done properly.
There is no point in properly presenting a product, service  or opinion
which is flawed in the first place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Working in development control I had to waste much time dealing with objections which were irrelevant eg.  this might lower my house value , block my views and/or attract the wrong class of people into the area .  Those which could be,  eg. it would cause traffic hazard, were rarely supported by any evidence or analysis.   These objectors were only wasting their own time and appearing ignorant and/or snobbish.<br />
Some are &#8220;serial objectors &#8221; who are just wanting to be  noticed.</p>
<p>Most objectors  have never actually bothered to study the plan and national/council policies.  If a thing is worth doing it should be done properly.<br />
There is no point in properly presenting a product, service  or opinion<br />
which is flawed in the first place.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why is NIMBY such a popular term nowadays? by Clare Baxter</title>
		<link>http://www.planningdemocracy.org.uk/2012/why-is-nimby-such-a-popular-term-nowadays/comment-page-1/#comment-1090</link>
		<dc:creator>Clare Baxter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Apr 2012 15:37:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I disagree.  The need is to discourage people from making objections without understanding the issues, policies etc.   Great waste of staff time and public money is caused by baseless objections. The majority who dont object have to pay for this.
There should be a charge for making objections as there is to make applications.

Anyway why not help people to express there support for proposals and encourage them to do so?   Those who will benefit from appoval rarely express support for such, often because they dont understand the matter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I disagree.  The need is to discourage people from making objections without understanding the issues, policies etc.   Great waste of staff time and public money is caused by baseless objections. The majority who dont object have to pay for this.<br />
There should be a charge for making objections as there is to make applications.</p>
<p>Anyway why not help people to express there support for proposals and encourage them to do so?   Those who will benefit from appoval rarely express support for such, often because they dont understand the matter.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Research and ideas by Anna Harnmeijer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anna Harnmeijer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2012 08:16:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Met Clare Symonds at ASCC conference. Great initiative, keep up the good work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Met Clare Symonds at ASCC conference. Great initiative, keep up the good work.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why is NIMBY such a popular term nowadays? by Jean Charsley</title>
		<link>http://www.planningdemocracy.org.uk/2012/why-is-nimby-such-a-popular-term-nowadays/comment-page-1/#comment-1088</link>
		<dc:creator>Jean Charsley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2012 11:15:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that the general public needs to be educated in how best to present their objections.  This is particularly the case for the less experienced and those without any access to private expertise to bolster their objection(s).
Nevertheless, some of the less articulate show a respectable concern for their built and other environment which may be ignored because of the terms in which it is couched.
Some of the summaries given by planners to planning committees tend to gloss over relevant deails and simply count the objections under certain headings.
Government has made planning, the use of space, less democratic in that while developers have a right of appeal, objectors do not, even when it is held that the local authority has made a serious mistake or has ignored a vital aspect of objections.
Another contributory factor to the dissatisfaction with the current planning regime is that planning departments have lost experienced staff, there is no funding for enforcement to reinforce the conditions imposed in planning decisions and local authorities lack the confidence to insist that a development which infringes the rules be demolished.  
Whether called &quot;nimbyism&quot; or anything else, the views of the people who have to live with a development or are affected by it (e.g. flood risk, high streets) are relevant to the planning process. Would the Scottish Government only pay attention to the other two &quot;equal&quot; prongs of the planningsystem which they advertised, i.e. social and environmental, and allow local authorities to micro manage their communities in their planning policies where necessary!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that the general public needs to be educated in how best to present their objections.  This is particularly the case for the less experienced and those without any access to private expertise to bolster their objection(s).<br />
Nevertheless, some of the less articulate show a respectable concern for their built and other environment which may be ignored because of the terms in which it is couched.<br />
Some of the summaries given by planners to planning committees tend to gloss over relevant deails and simply count the objections under certain headings.<br />
Government has made planning, the use of space, less democratic in that while developers have a right of appeal, objectors do not, even when it is held that the local authority has made a serious mistake or has ignored a vital aspect of objections.<br />
Another contributory factor to the dissatisfaction with the current planning regime is that planning departments have lost experienced staff, there is no funding for enforcement to reinforce the conditions imposed in planning decisions and local authorities lack the confidence to insist that a development which infringes the rules be demolished.<br />
Whether called &#8220;nimbyism&#8221; or anything else, the views of the people who have to live with a development or are affected by it (e.g. flood risk, high streets) are relevant to the planning process. Would the Scottish Government only pay attention to the other two &#8220;equal&#8221; prongs of the planningsystem which they advertised, i.e. social and environmental, and allow local authorities to micro manage their communities in their planning policies where necessary!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why is NIMBY such a popular term nowadays? by JOHN MUNRO</title>
		<link>http://www.planningdemocracy.org.uk/2012/why-is-nimby-such-a-popular-term-nowadays/comment-page-1/#comment-1087</link>
		<dc:creator>JOHN MUNRO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Apr 2012 17:12:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I  agree it is wrong to assume l all objections as based solely on &quot;nimbyism&quot;.    Whether or not they are may be judged on just what personal gain  the party may derive from refusal and ,whether or not he/she understands the issues  (pros and cons) and the scope of the planning system and on  just what evidence is offered to support objections.  

  In my experience the majority of objections are largely based on self-interest   although there is usually attempts to seem otherwise.    Moreover, objectors often do not know just what the aims of the planning  system are and what national/local policies are and  the development  plan contains .   Many  do not know that retention of views and privacy are not valid planning concerns. If so very little would get built.   Nor do they realise that other property owners also have rights.  Often they try to use the planning system to stop other having what they have themselves.    People who have moved into an area may claim that having more homes  will cause problems although they did not worry about those before they arrived themselves.  
 
As an experienced plannner before opining on a case I may have to spend many hours in assessing the issues.  Very few objectors do this or have the time and  expertise to do so.    

     The need for decisions to be &quot;evidence -based&quot;  is now accepted in many fields eg. medicine.   However well-qualified and distinguished any party  is, he/she must support his/her views with sound evidence.     However schools have not really taught people to do this,  to weigh-up &quot;pros and cons&quot; or to think creatively or even to realise there are interests other than their own.

  It is wise not to express opinions on matters about which one knows little.  I have seen objectors, including planners, made to look ignorant  and foolish under cross-examination.

  It is normal for most people to resist change.   Many of our finest developments, including &quot;listed&quot; structures were strongly opposed when built.  These included railway arches. Yet proposals to demolish these are now fiercely resisted.
A former president of the RIBA said that if a new building did not attract strong criticism he would think it not sufficiently innovative.    A major problem is that many people, including some planners, lack the imagination to visualise how a new development  would appear.    

    The Human Rights Act provides for protection of private property rights  (Article 1 of the First Protocol and Artic;e 8 of the Convention. These limit the powers of public bodies to control private property use.   Restrictions must serve a clear public purpose and be based on &quot;laws&quot;, not just opinions.   There must be a &quot;fair balance&quot; between private and public interests and the latter cannot entirely over-ride the former.

  In my long experiecnce many conflicts in planning, like those in other areas could be resolved by greater understanding on both sides and more imagination.      Most professioal developers now carefully consider planning issues, with professional advice
before making proposals. Yet most objectors do not  do the same.  

   Of course there are many cases where there are conflicting &quot;public interests&quot;.   Wind-farms and power lines are an example. Even the environmental movement is strongly divided on these.  National interests may conflict with local ones, as in the case of major infratructure projects.  Many people want more prisons built, but not in their own areas. 

  Even at a local level there are conflicts.  Building a new school or playground  close to homes of children may please the majority and increase public safety. However it may not please those who live immediately adjacent.

  Society is increasingly polarised, with differences in wealth and income far greater than for many decades.   The job and housing prospects of many young people are far worse than those who came before them.   The Planning System was instigated primarily to provide homes and jobs, but it has, in recent years, failed to do so.     The Medical Offcer for Scotland has said that
it  must have a key role in improving public health.   Yet the latter is rarely mentioned  in planning cases.

     T he most disdavantaged people have very little say in decisions.  Most objections are made by people who already enjoy 
privileges and whose main concern is retaining these.  In local elections many  younger and poorer people do not vote.
The Planning System serves  mainly the interesst of the better-off.   Far too much time and money is spent on trivial iddues which have little or no public interest.  Planners have long complained about their lack of power in relation to major concerns.

     Organisations such as the National Trust and CPRE  mainly focus on the interests of relatively affluent people.
   They are very biassed and dishonest  in their assessments.   Claims about &quot;concreting over the countryside&quot;
 are ludicrous.  Even if all the homes needed were built in  countryside they would cover only a tiny fraction of such
Only about 10% of England and 4%  of Scotland is &quot;built-up&quot;    Moreoever about half of urban areas is occupied by private gardens, parks,  golfcourses etc.    Concrete covers only a miniscule percentage of urban areas.

 According to &quot;Natural England&quot; there is more wildlife and biodiversity in many towns and cities than in many tracts of countryside.    &quot;Green Belts&quot; often include large areas of featureless  and even dereclict land which could be greatly improved, 
visually and environmentally, by appropriate development.  

  The presumption in favour of &quot;sustainable development&quot; is correct.   What  is needed is improved urban and landscape design.
  There have been major advances in these areas , in response to problems identified.  However, it seems that may objectors are not aware of these.
 
 

   
  
     



  In truth the vast majority of proposals attract objections for a very small percentage of people in an area.  Yet this writer seems to assume most people are opposed to development.   The</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I  agree it is wrong to assume l all objections as based solely on &#8220;nimbyism&#8221;.    Whether or not they are may be judged on just what personal gain  the party may derive from refusal and ,whether or not he/she understands the issues  (pros and cons) and the scope of the planning system and on  just what evidence is offered to support objections.  </p>
<p>  In my experience the majority of objections are largely based on self-interest   although there is usually attempts to seem otherwise.    Moreover, objectors often do not know just what the aims of the planning  system are and what national/local policies are and  the development  plan contains .   Many  do not know that retention of views and privacy are not valid planning concerns. If so very little would get built.   Nor do they realise that other property owners also have rights.  Often they try to use the planning system to stop other having what they have themselves.    People who have moved into an area may claim that having more homes  will cause problems although they did not worry about those before they arrived themselves.  </p>
<p>As an experienced plannner before opining on a case I may have to spend many hours in assessing the issues.  Very few objectors do this or have the time and  expertise to do so.    </p>
<p>     The need for decisions to be &#8220;evidence -based&#8221;  is now accepted in many fields eg. medicine.   However well-qualified and distinguished any party  is, he/she must support his/her views with sound evidence.     However schools have not really taught people to do this,  to weigh-up &#8220;pros and cons&#8221; or to think creatively or even to realise there are interests other than their own.</p>
<p>  It is wise not to express opinions on matters about which one knows little.  I have seen objectors, including planners, made to look ignorant  and foolish under cross-examination.</p>
<p>  It is normal for most people to resist change.   Many of our finest developments, including &#8220;listed&#8221; structures were strongly opposed when built.  These included railway arches. Yet proposals to demolish these are now fiercely resisted.<br />
A former president of the RIBA said that if a new building did not attract strong criticism he would think it not sufficiently innovative.    A major problem is that many people, including some planners, lack the imagination to visualise how a new development  would appear.    </p>
<p>    The Human Rights Act provides for protection of private property rights  (Article 1 of the First Protocol and Artic;e 8 of the Convention. These limit the powers of public bodies to control private property use.   Restrictions must serve a clear public purpose and be based on &#8220;laws&#8221;, not just opinions.   There must be a &#8220;fair balance&#8221; between private and public interests and the latter cannot entirely over-ride the former.</p>
<p>  In my long experiecnce many conflicts in planning, like those in other areas could be resolved by greater understanding on both sides and more imagination.      Most professioal developers now carefully consider planning issues, with professional advice<br />
before making proposals. Yet most objectors do not  do the same.  </p>
<p>   Of course there are many cases where there are conflicting &#8220;public interests&#8221;.   Wind-farms and power lines are an example. Even the environmental movement is strongly divided on these.  National interests may conflict with local ones, as in the case of major infratructure projects.  Many people want more prisons built, but not in their own areas. </p>
<p>  Even at a local level there are conflicts.  Building a new school or playground  close to homes of children may please the majority and increase public safety. However it may not please those who live immediately adjacent.</p>
<p>  Society is increasingly polarised, with differences in wealth and income far greater than for many decades.   The job and housing prospects of many young people are far worse than those who came before them.   The Planning System was instigated primarily to provide homes and jobs, but it has, in recent years, failed to do so.     The Medical Offcer for Scotland has said that<br />
it  must have a key role in improving public health.   Yet the latter is rarely mentioned  in planning cases.</p>
<p>     T he most disdavantaged people have very little say in decisions.  Most objections are made by people who already enjoy<br />
privileges and whose main concern is retaining these.  In local elections many  younger and poorer people do not vote.<br />
The Planning System serves  mainly the interesst of the better-off.   Far too much time and money is spent on trivial iddues which have little or no public interest.  Planners have long complained about their lack of power in relation to major concerns.</p>
<p>     Organisations such as the National Trust and CPRE  mainly focus on the interests of relatively affluent people.<br />
   They are very biassed and dishonest  in their assessments.   Claims about &#8220;concreting over the countryside&#8221;<br />
 are ludicrous.  Even if all the homes needed were built in  countryside they would cover only a tiny fraction of such<br />
Only about 10% of England and 4%  of Scotland is &#8220;built-up&#8221;    Moreoever about half of urban areas is occupied by private gardens, parks,  golfcourses etc.    Concrete covers only a miniscule percentage of urban areas.</p>
<p> According to &#8220;Natural England&#8221; there is more wildlife and biodiversity in many towns and cities than in many tracts of countryside.    &#8220;Green Belts&#8221; often include large areas of featureless  and even dereclict land which could be greatly improved,<br />
visually and environmentally, by appropriate development.  </p>
<p>  The presumption in favour of &#8220;sustainable development&#8221; is correct.   What  is needed is improved urban and landscape design.<br />
  There have been major advances in these areas , in response to problems identified.  However, it seems that may objectors are not aware of these.</p>
<p>  In truth the vast majority of proposals attract objections for a very small percentage of people in an area.  Yet this writer seems to assume most people are opposed to development.   The</p>
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		<title>Comment on Lomond Quarry in Leslie by Jy Ell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jy Ell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2012 04:16:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As well as the regular situation of The Fife Council (its own description) employees acting in a partisan way, it is my view that Leslie has councillors who are in league with skene. The company has used the &#039;Trust&#039; to prevent members of a local club from criticising it. Meanwhile, the properly elected Community Council is deliberately hindered by the local authority as well as being denied funding.
Previous members of Leslie Community Council prevented public discussion of quarry activities. One of those members is now a one-man charity &#039;Trust&#039; and in control of a former public building gifted by The Fife Council. That &#039;Trust&#039; also claims to have organised community activities before it even existed. The Fife Council has shown no willingness to challenge such untruths. There is, without doubt, a very big barrel of rotten fish in Fife.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As well as the regular situation of The Fife Council (its own description) employees acting in a partisan way, it is my view that Leslie has councillors who are in league with skene. The company has used the &#8216;Trust&#8217; to prevent members of a local club from criticising it. Meanwhile, the properly elected Community Council is deliberately hindered by the local authority as well as being denied funding.<br />
Previous members of Leslie Community Council prevented public discussion of quarry activities. One of those members is now a one-man charity &#8216;Trust&#8217; and in control of a former public building gifted by The Fife Council. That &#8216;Trust&#8217; also claims to have organised community activities before it even existed. The Fife Council has shown no willingness to challenge such untruths. There is, without doubt, a very big barrel of rotten fish in Fife.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Lomond Quarry in Leslie by Sympathiser</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sympathiser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Mar 2012 23:19:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fife Council are very irresponsible and even negligent when it comes to enforcement.  They simply do not bother to look after the interests of residents and are more concerned with commercial interests and saving the work and effort required to enforce effectively.  These council employees need to be made to be more accountable. There are many anecdotal instances of Fife Council officers not doing their jobs properly in this respect, but this is a particularly unacceptable instance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fife Council are very irresponsible and even negligent when it comes to enforcement.  They simply do not bother to look after the interests of residents and are more concerned with commercial interests and saving the work and effort required to enforce effectively.  These council employees need to be made to be more accountable. There are many anecdotal instances of Fife Council officers not doing their jobs properly in this respect, but this is a particularly unacceptable instance.</p>
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		<title>Comment on How to measure quality planning – Audit Scotland by Steve Hanmer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Hanmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2012 00:19:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, I am looking for help where ever I can find it. I was passed your details by Andrew Patterson of the Scottish Community Development Centre.

I am teh vice chairman of Dunbar Sea Cadets and I am trying to get my voice heard with East Lothian council. There is a site on the edge of Dunbar which was phase one of the LaFarge quarry/cement works. It was common knowledge that teh site would be given to the community when work had finished. IT now seems that the land will be given over to the RSPB to manage. This will mean no community access to the lake. Access will be restricted and definately bo waterbased activities. There is a North West Quarry Committee which I had hoped to present to in December 2011 but they cancelled the meeting the night before. They said they would arrange another meeting early 2012. When I asked when the meeting would be I didn&#039;t get a response. I have asked for plans/documents in regard to the RSPB proposal but I have been told there aren&#039;t any. I just don&#039;t understand how a decision can be made without any documentation. Please Help! Cheers Steve Hanmer</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, I am looking for help where ever I can find it. I was passed your details by Andrew Patterson of the Scottish Community Development Centre.</p>
<p>I am teh vice chairman of Dunbar Sea Cadets and I am trying to get my voice heard with East Lothian council. There is a site on the edge of Dunbar which was phase one of the LaFarge quarry/cement works. It was common knowledge that teh site would be given to the community when work had finished. IT now seems that the land will be given over to the RSPB to manage. This will mean no community access to the lake. Access will be restricted and definately bo waterbased activities. There is a North West Quarry Committee which I had hoped to present to in December 2011 but they cancelled the meeting the night before. They said they would arrange another meeting early 2012. When I asked when the meeting would be I didn&#8217;t get a response. I have asked for plans/documents in regard to the RSPB proposal but I have been told there aren&#8217;t any. I just don&#8217;t understand how a decision can be made without any documentation. Please Help! Cheers Steve Hanmer</p>
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		<title>Comment on Lomond Quarry in Leslie by iainpd</title>
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		<dc:creator>iainpd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2012 22:32:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi - thanks for commenting and visiting the site. Enforcement is definatately an issue that keeps coming up in our case studies, although its normally to do with direct non-enforcement of a condition, as opposed to differential treatment like in your case. I&#039;m planning to write a blog post on enforcement at some point so look out for that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi &#8211; thanks for commenting and visiting the site. Enforcement is definatately an issue that keeps coming up in our case studies, although its normally to do with direct non-enforcement of a condition, as opposed to differential treatment like in your case. I&#8217;m planning to write a blog post on enforcement at some point so look out for that.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why is public involvement in planning important? by iainpd</title>
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		<dc:creator>iainpd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2012 22:25:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your comment, and sorry it took so long to publish - we&#039;ve been getting lots of comment spam but have fixed that now!

Agreed the developer-commissioned EIAs can be a problem, their certainly percieved as a problem by lots of people we&#039;ve talked to.  They&#039;re also so thick and complex, as you have found, they are not necessarily useful.  I know the Scot Govt is attempting to slim them down, and, I think, recognises one of the reasons they have grown is because the companies have an interest in very detailed reports.

Getting the council to commission the EIA&#039;s would definately address the percieved conflict of interest, but admin heavy I imagine and would still require much input and info from the developer.  Difficult one!  Slimming them down to key issues so that it&#039;s harder to bury the controvertial aspects would probably help.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your comment, and sorry it took so long to publish &#8211; we&#8217;ve been getting lots of comment spam but have fixed that now!</p>
<p>Agreed the developer-commissioned EIAs can be a problem, their certainly percieved as a problem by lots of people we&#8217;ve talked to.  They&#8217;re also so thick and complex, as you have found, they are not necessarily useful.  I know the Scot Govt is attempting to slim them down, and, I think, recognises one of the reasons they have grown is because the companies have an interest in very detailed reports.</p>
<p>Getting the council to commission the EIA&#8217;s would definately address the percieved conflict of interest, but admin heavy I imagine and would still require much input and info from the developer.  Difficult one!  Slimming them down to key issues so that it&#8217;s harder to bury the controvertial aspects would probably help.</p>
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